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22nd December 2023 at 8:58 pm #164340
Playfrombeginning
ParticipantHi all, thanks for taking the time to read my post. So my partner and I have been together almost (detail removed by Moderator) years, been a very tumultuous relationship, v up and down, moving house lots, arguments etc.
I have felt I’ve wanted to leave for years but felt trapped for various reasons, when I say I’m not happy and indicate I want to leave my partner has blown up, begged me to stay or threatened to end their life. At the time I genuinely felt scared that I had no choice to stay. Looking back now I realise it’s not right.
I’m only realising the signs now as I’ve started seeing a therapist due to becoming so mentally unwell and they are pointing out that I could be in an abusive relationship.
It’s been a long process but I’m perhaps now starting to see the signs? Still, I’m in some denial and in a pattern of blaming myself.
Looking back, right at the start the relationship felt ‘off’ they were very quick to move in, gushing with over the top gestures, talking about marriage v early on, it made me feel pressured and uncomfortable but I believed it was me (still do?) and I was the problem as have experienced trauma in the past and thought I am just guarded. But it just felt off. The outbursts started early too, smashing things, spitting in my face, shouting, slamming doors. She always said ‘(detail removed by Moderator)’ and I thought nothing of it (She’s a woman btw – I’m a woman too, (detail removed by Moderator) with a woman.)
I lack confidence and just always wanted to please, doing everything I could to keep her happy. She would always apologise and we move on, I just naively let it happen. She’s very attractive and has a fun, vivacious personality- it doesn’t add up to what my mum or others would see on the outside. My mum said she was the best thing that happened to me which adds to the confusion but I don’t think she see’s behind closed doors.Years on we moved away from family and friends to start a small business to a more affordable area, bigger house etc, this has isolated us even more and the outbursts continued.
(detail removed by Moderator) she would punch, pinch, intimidate more than usual, never in the face just on arms etc I would sometimes retaliate- I told her if it carried on we are over. She stopped. As could see I’m at the end of it. I feel after this roles reversed a bit? I started standing up for myself more shouting back, hitting back. I’m not proud of it but do feel that when I gave it back she would back down.
(detail removed by Moderator) months ago she was in a dark place due to her (detail removed by Moderator) ending their life in a horrific way, she threatened again to end her life and then a few weeks later had a massive outburst and I had to wrestle her to stop taking pills, (detail removed by Moderator) we went to hospital after had taken an unknown amount. Thankfully she was fine. Since then I felt awful and she’s always made me feel responsible as I didn’t care enough and wasn’t there for her enough.
After another outburst I told her I needed space. She hates being alone and takes it as rejection and says that I’m cold selfish and unloving for wanting space but sometimes I feel I had no time to think as our relationship was so suffocating. After this she openly went on dating sites, I gave up at this point and let it happen and I went on to message other people also – as I’ve felt so trapped and saw this as a way out (I had been thinking this also for a while as just so unhappy and trapped.)
I felt so guilty after this and made to feel it’s my fault. That I wasn’t there for her enough (even though I was with her (detail removed by Moderator)) I became so mentally ill as we are trapped in the same house with a business.
I started therapy as felt needed to fix things and be better in the relationship and that needed to change things in my personality and be more outgoing.Since this, I constantly have felt judged and felt needed to change, anything I do I felt wasn’t good enough, walking on eggshells etc not to upset her.
Throughout the months she has many outbursts accusing me of being crazy pathetic useless, and that I’m s***e in bed etc etc.
Implying I’d be a bad mother just nit picking at everything.So (detail removed by Moderator) ago she had another outburst it got so bad I genuinely thought she could stab me when I was in the (detail removed by Moderator). I had this feeling of fear as was just defenceless.
She said in a rage we are over she doesn’t want to be with me xmas and she’s going back on dating sites and that it’s all my fault. I don’t know exactly what provoked it but feel I can’t say anything when she’s raging.
I don’t know what for but I’ve realised now she always finds a way to make it my fault, In the past I see the pattern she would say sorry it will never happen again and be all lovely then I just forget or think I caused it.
So here I am again. Last straw? Want to be at home alone for Xmas rather than with her and her family, but now unsure how to get out of it without her turning everything on me.
I can’t go back, still I’m struggling now even feeling sorry for her and wanting to help feeling like maybe I could do more, that I haven’t been loving enough, that I’ve lashed out back too, that I’ve also got insecurities and anxiety. We are just stuck in the house separate rooms not talking now, it makes the guilt creep in. Argh.
I keep hanging on thinking it could change maybe I can help the situation or do more… but this happens again and again.
Now, How do I get out? She’s calm now and feel I can talk to her honestly but I know the blame will start coming and it make me question the truth and because I’m insecure I fall for it. I had months of being ill taking bland feel tormented by it.
How do I keep my strength and see for what it is? Am I causing this? Am I not loving enough? Too insecure? I feel strong for once like I understand but The longer I’m in my own thoughts, the more confused I’m becoming.
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23rd December 2023 at 12:03 am #164344
Camel
ParticipantYes, it’s abuse. It doesn’t matter that you’re only just starting to see it for what it is. Your feelings are never wrong but its in your partner’s interests to persuade you that you ARE wrong. You acknowledge that you’ve wanted to leave for years. In a relationship with a non-abuser you would have left by now.
You should accept that you can’t discuss leaving with your abuser. You can’t talk about how you feel, what you want or need for a happy life. You know this already as you’ve tried before.
Accept, too, that no one has the right to punish you for not measuring up to their standards. If you truly have been unloving, uncaring, and so on, why is she so keen to keep you there? Blaming you, making you feel guilty, making you believe you are responsible for her happiness and well-being…these are simply the actions of a controlling abuser and not the actions of a loving partner who sees you as their equal.
You don’t need to try harder. You’re an individual with the absolute right to do what you want, even if that means staying in a hotel over Christmas.
You absolutely do not need her permission to leave.
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23rd December 2023 at 11:06 am #164358
Playfrombeginning
ParticipantThank you for taking the time to reply. You sound very strong and everything you say I know is right, just wish I could be that strong.
I’m in a position where I don’t know whether to go with her to her parents at Xmas – she is shutting me out now saying how dare I do this before Xmas (when the outburst and abuse came from her) saying previous she doesn’t want me there, it’s over, I’m selfish and pathetic and she’s going back on dating sites to find someone that loves her. Throwing stuff and slamming doors. Feeling like she could attack me so have to shut the door. She’s since apologised and begged to come and that she will change and it’s just an argument and I need to get over it.
I don’t know what to say when she rages and just try to diffuse it as she could lash out. I don’t know what I did to provoke this and it comes from her getting stressed about work also she doesn’t like me going to therapy.
So now she’s completely silencing me making feel guilty. It’s hard because my therapist thinks maybe she has BPD that makes me sympathise and think maybe she can’t help being this way and could get help.
I’m going to be alone here at Xmas now and feel it’s probably what she wanted all along. Yet how do I say I stay here without her making it look like I’ve caused it and it’s my fault? As I know she will. I know I’m weak but it’s years in this situation and hard to see a way out.
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23rd December 2023 at 1:03 pm #164360
Hereforhelp
ParticipantHi, when you have spent years being demonised, blamed, picked on, assaulted (amongst the ‘good’ times) it wares your very core down… it isn’t for you to make her feel less anger/violent… as for your therapist suggesting your partner may have BPD (or any MH condition) that’s not ethical of the therapist IMO as BPD is a very serious condition which only a trained Psychiatrist/professional can diagnose… of course you would feel empathy for your partner after your therapist suggested what could be causing your partners abusive outbursts is part of a MH condition… abuse is a choice…
Also, even if she did have BPD or any MH condition it is totally her responsibility to get help for herself as an adult. What I am trying to say is there’s nothing you can do to change her behaviour as she knows what she’s doing.
The push/pull over Christmas and whether to go with her or not is all part of her abuse…
You do not provoke her reactions, how she reacts is totally on her..
Be kind to you as you have suffered enough… I felt powerless and weak before the final split from my abusive ex…it’s taking me a very long time to find who I am now after the decades of abuse/blame (all abusers blame everyone/anyone else for their issues… my ex used his traumatic past… I also had a traumatic childhood buy it didn’t make me abusive, I sought help to move on)..
You are very strong to have endured this for so long … keep posting as you are not alone
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23rd December 2023 at 5:35 pm #164372
Camel
ParticipantYour abuser has created a situation where whatever you do it will be the wrong choice. Can you see that everything she says is contradictory? She wants you to go. She doesn’t want you to go. How on earth are you supposed to make rational decisions when you’re dealing with such irrational outburst from her? You are shouldering all the emotional baggage in this relationship. That’s not fair is it? Try to remember that you are only responsible for your own well being. She is entirely responsible for hers.
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27th December 2023 at 10:52 am #164476
Playfrombeginning
ParticipantHi both, thank you for taking the time to reply. ❤️ I totally understand what you are saying, it’s only now since speaking to a therapist I’m recognising the patterns. With regard to the BPD, my therapist didn’t directly say she had it, but it came up when discussing mental health issues. They asked if I’d heard of BPD, since I have researched and noticed the symptoms match the behaviour. When I first realised this it made me feel empathic and more understanding but like you say it still doesn’t justify the actions, I’ve suggested her getting help but I think she’s afraid to confront the issues and I don’t know if it will ever change as it’s been so long now. Also so much has happened and I can’t forget.
So with regard to (detail removed by Moderator), she wouldn’t leave me alone. I expressed I wasn’t happy coming after everything that happened – the shouting – I’m pathetic, useless, selfish etc that she doesn’t want me there and she’s going back on dating sites that we are over etc, screaming, slamming doors throwing things, that she can’t believe ‘I’ would do this before Xmas and I deserve to be alone, coming into my bedroom screaming endless abuse at me when the dogs are hiding trying to get away from it. I’ve noticed the dogs don’t want to be near her.
I can’t say anything as I know it will make things worse. This all happened after the silent treatment.
She’d go from being like this, to abusive, then implying it’s my fault, then to being all nice saying she loves me and will change and that nobody will love me like she does etc, even gifts – now I notice the pattern – I usually fall for it but seeing it for what it is. How can someone actually love you when continue to treat you like that? Now I recognise it I don’t feel I want to put up with it or go through this anymore. I’ve been manipulated just like I had been in my past.I’m not proud to say it but as always I gave in, because I care for her I wanted to be there to support her. I drove down for (detail removed by Moderator), I would have rather been alone. Now I’m at home just with the dog and honestly it’s so peaceful. Shes back on (detail removed by Moderator) and I’m actually dreading it – there was a time before I recognised the abuse and thought it was my fault, that I couldn’t live without her – now I’m feeling stronger – perhaps can see a way out?
I’m too apprehensive at this point, to mention it’s over, as I always have been in the past, made to feel there’s no option but to stay in it, and as my self-esteem is so low that I almost deserve it.
If I say I want it to be over, I honestly think she will lose it start smashing things, and it will get really nasty. She said about (detail removed by Moderator) that this will all get really nasty and she would never forget implying she’d make me pay? I feel that’s what will happen.
Because we have the business (which I worked so hard and built from scratch) she’s latched on, because it’s an easy life. But I can’t get her to leave she won’t, she’s never held down a job, but I don’t want to let go of what I’ve worked so hard for.
So am trapped, again, can’t really see a way out – but I know in my heart it’s right to get out – just need to keep strong. But even right now she’s messaging and I can’t bare to give an indication that it’s over I’m just going along with it to keep the peace… when she’s back though I don’t really know how to handle this as I can’t leave? Due to the business being at home and we share the income so it will be hard to find somewhere else.
I know I need to be stronger.Thank you again ❤️ It’s helped to write it out- I hope you both had a good Xmas x
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