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    • #50860
      dustypink
      Participant

      Hello everyone,
      My story is long, I have so many thoughts in my head in the last weeks and I’m feeling I need to talk about this all the time 🙂

      My first husband was abusive. But it was very easy to understand he is not my prince. When my daughter was born, in a couple of months I understood that nothing will change, and that I don’t want such a life for my baby.
      This was in my country, where I could just move to my mum’s house. I had relatives, friends, good job. This step was so easy to make for me that time.
      I didn’t have any relationships for a couple of years, too much pain for me.
      Until I decided to come to UK to find some interesting job to make my English better.
      I came here, met my 2nd husband and became pregnant.
      Here starts another story.

      He was so nice. But as I can see now, there were a lot of signs I have to run away straight away. But I was thinking – I have to work with myself, I have to work with our relationship, this is because I am too emotional, relationship is a great job etc.
      The first time he shouted at me in a couple of weeks we started to live together. I remember this so good, I was sitting on the floor in the bedroom and crying until the late night while he was sleeping on the bed.
      There were a lot of times after. I felt trapped – pregnant, no job, in a new country, no friends, no help, nothing! This was not what I wanted, but he was so kind and nice most of the time, a lot of promising, a lot of sweet words. I just decided I need to be strong and I need to keep the family.
      Another baby in a couple of years, so three at the moment. I was crying and depressed when I became pregnant. I just understood I will be in the same position for the next 2-3 years.

      About the abuse.
      I didn’t know that this is abuse until I called Women’s Aid helpline a couple of days before. I had thoughts about this, but he is mirroring so good, that I thought there is a lot of my fault in this situation. I thought he has bad temper and this is my fault i can’t give him love and attention he needs. he always told me i am cold, i don’t give my love to him, he doesn’t feel any warmth from my side. That i like to control everything, that I dominate, that I am always right. This worked, because I know myself, i know that I like to control everything, to make things clear and I say if I don’t like something.

      I spent so many years listening how bad I am, that he lives with me only because he loves the children. That he can find any other “normal” woman. That i am not thankful at all. That he is trying so hard to make us happy but i don’t see this.

      As I know now, we had a lot of financial, emotional, verbal abuse and threats.

      We decided (actually I had no choice) that I will be looking after our children until they all are school-aged and I don’t have to work full time. But in the meantime he has been told me so many times that everything in our house belongs to him, he is paying for everything, that (detail removed by moderator) nobody else needs me. And if I don’t like something i can go and work. He rejected to change his job to look after the children part time to give me possibility to work part time too. I had to work as self-employed from home, looking after the children at the same, making all the house works.
      I also would like to say that i am not housewife, I have masters degree and i was working all the time just to have some personal money and not to ask him. I had several business running from home, but this never counted as job because he was earning more than me. He always told me i am doing nothing at home, just having a rest all the day. He is at work all the day and comes home just before the children go to sleep. So the only time he spends with the children is the weekend.

      We have bought a house a couple of years ago. This was my dream. I organised everything, my mum gave us a deposit money. This was so hard, but I did it, we got a joint mortgage. I have done everything in the house – decorated it, bought furniture, made the garden nice. It is so nice now and it is very difficult to understand i will loose it soon.

      I am not a typical victim probably because I’m not afraid of him and never was. Normally it was like we start arguing about something unimportant or I just say something he doesn’t like (detail removed by moderator). I am responding without swearing, quite, polite and with arguments. I am much clever than he is and when he has nothing to answer me he is shouting at me. Telling terrible words about me, my family, my life, everything. he is shouting until I start to cry and go away. next day or even in a couple of hours he is nice and happy, I am still crying, but he can’t understand – why? He tells – I didn’t tell this, you first started, you are pushing me, you don’t value me, you don’t respect me. This can take up to 3-4 days for me to forget about this and forgive him. All these 3-4 days i was full of pain, trying to find the answers but I couldn’t.

      Last year I understand that I don’t what to live such a life anymore. I didn’t know how to change it. And I decided to start with myself. I started to do workouts, at home, 30 mins a day, but every day. I have switched from size S to XS. I gave up drinking. I didn’t drink a lot, but quite often – beer, wine, this helped me to relax. I gave up completely. I started to understand very quickly that alcohol also helped him to control me. Without couple of glasses of wine I even didn’t want to have sex with him! he was not happy really about my changes. I decided to go to the gym twice a week. he was very very angry. He told I will go there to meet men? until he is at work. But his problem was and is I don’t listen to him and do what I want. So I go to gym twice a week, this really helps me now even emotionally. For the first weeks i started he didn’t talk to me. If I was asking for something I’ve been told – go to your gym.

      (detail removed by moderator) And i understood finally! Why I am choosing such men, what i am feeling, what I need to do. He didn’t like it ) But since that I started my way to freedom. I have stopped crying. This was what he wanted. I was neutral to his words or just went away or responded him in the same way. I told him, i’m not afraid of him, i am not afraid to be alone with 3 children, no job and no income. I am not afraid to loose the house.

      he didn’t like it and started to press me. (detail removed by moderator) i don’t have access to our joint bank account and mortgage account. he was trying to take my debit card but I keep it safely. He is threatening me all the time – I cannot use the car, I cannot buy anything for myself, coffee for example, he will not give me any money for Christmas. i don’t listen to him and buy coffee and use the car.

      (detail removed by moderator)Little boy loves him so much was asking all the day when the daddy is coming. Daddy came 1 our earlier than always but told he will need to go away to another work. I told him to stay at home, this is not fair to his son etc. He stayed at home, but was very angry.. Children were so happy somebody will come to us! we never have any guests and never go somewhere, because he doesn’t like my friend, and doesn’t have his own, and without him i am not allowed to go. Because there are a lot of men i will have sex with. (detail removed by moderator) And it started. He was swearing for 2 hours. Children crying, my son is crying, telling him to stop, but he can’t! This was really awful day. He told me that I need to call the guests and tell them not to come. He told me he will not give the money to buy remaining food for tomorrow. Children were so upset. My elder daughter told him he is not right and he told he will not pay for her (detail removed by moderator) anymore because she doesn’t respect him.
      Next day he woke up angry. Was trying to take my card when i went for a shopping, but couldn’t find it. I have made a nice table for everyone, when my friends came he was so nice as always, so quite.
      (detail removed by moderator)I have checked his phone and found there is a big chat with another woman, looked like they are very close already. i was shocked! (detail removed by moderator) he hit my phone to the floor, hit the stools, furniture, shouting that I have no rights to do this! that we don’t have sex for the last couple of months so this is his right to find another woman! I understood then that everything I am doing is right.

      Next day he was in a honeymoon stage, so I asked him 50% of the money I need to pay to file a divorce.  (detail removed by moderator) So i have sent the application for divorce.

      This is too long story ) And i have so many things to add, just have no time to write anymore )

    • #50865
      dustypink
      Participant

      There must be a good choice of freshly prepared food at home. No ready made, no made from frozen. Only the food he likes, diesn’t matter children will not eat it. And anyway, no guarantee he will eat it. I am throwing away the food i was preparing because nobody is eating it.

      He is telling all the time he like women with a big bust. When he sees Keira N..ly, he always is saying – oh, look, woman with no bust. My bust is small. I am fine with it, I am slim and fit and like my body. But he told me many times, that i will need to put breast implants. Even i told him i don’t want to do this. I think if the surgery wouldn’t cost so much he would push me to do this finally.

      i do bookkeping for his company, doesn’t count. I do all paperwork if required, doesnt count. Last year he didn’t cut the grass in the garden even once. He never cleaned toilet. He never go to school plays etc.

      i am recording what he us telling me on the phone. Sometimes i cannot do this, but i catched a couple of nice conversations.

      He tell me often “Listen, woman”
      He tells I will not find good job, because I am immigrant. I have to go and work to manufacturing or to clean vegetables in some restaurant.

    • #50875
      dustypink
      Participant

      so many details removed from my story, quite difficult to understand it now )

      he doesn’t move out. I don’t have where to go. I can’t get any help from the council until i owe the house. I am checking all the possibilities now, have several legal appointments this week, but still no clear way for me.
      I need to sell the house. I will get some money from it but not too much as i need to return deposit to my mum. I cannot take another mortgage, my income is too low! I would like to rent the house in private sector to keep the children in the same school (which is very good), i will find the money for deposit and a few months of rent and bills, i will need to apply for benefits then and wait some time (i do not receive anything because hus income is high). But my income is too low to rent a property 🙁
      I don’t want to go to refuge or similar place with my children, but unfortunatelly i haven’t find a solution yet 🙁

    • #50876
      Serenity
      Participant

      I’m so sorry to hear all this, Summer Day.

      Quite a few times whilst reading your posts, I shivered, because your partner sounds so much like my ex. My ex behaved in a similar way.

      It’s my view that the courts in this country are concerned to provide for the children. Your children need a home base. From experience, I would say fight for your share: abusers rarely pay proper Child Maintenance.

      There are a few things I would suggest. Phoning the Women’s Aid helpline, phoning your local DV support, and also Rights of Women, who will explain your rights to you.

      Solicitors often offer half an hour free advice sessions. I went to two or three on this basis, before choosing my divorce solicitor. They gave me some very good advice. Not all solicitors offer this, but many do. When your mind is a whirr and you feel anxious because of the situation, it’s good to have professionals put your practical options before you.

      x

    • #50878
      dustypink
      Participant

      Serenity, thank you!
      i have met very nice woman in our citizen advice bureau, she is so helpful! i had already one appointment with the solicitor specializing on property law, not a bug choice as the house is in mortgage. I can win some time with occupational order, but I really dont want to involve the police and ss. Anyway, I will have another appointment regarding occupational order exactly.
      I can resolve property and child maintenance question until apply for discree absolute (final divorce), so I have time. Details were removed, but he signed the papers I asked to sign when he was in a good mood.
      I will meet council also, over the phone they told me some strange things like i have to call to another council, that i cannot get accomodation in the same town. There was a man on a phone, he really didn’t understand me. Advised to work out on my relationship first. Very clever. I will go and meet somebode face to face this week, will see.

      I tried to call women’s right, couldn’t reach them. I cannit call from 7 to 9pm, he may be at home.

    • #50879
      SunshineRainflower
      Participant

      Hi Summerday,

      I read your story and think you sound like an incredibly strong, inspiring woman. It must have been awful to escape one abuser, to end up with another in a different country. I felt angry thinking about him treating you like that, deliberately isolating and abusing you, and the cheating is so awful, I believe my ex was messaging other women and cheating on me too, these men are disgusting and have totally warped mindsets. Well done for recognising him for what he is and taking steps to get out.

      You can leave a voicemail on the helpline for them to get back to you, you could specify a time for when he isn’t in. Ignore his cruel words about finding work, you are an educated woman and you will find something, he is just trying to make you feel scared so you depend on him. One possibility is using your languages as an interpeter or translator and there will be many more.

      Anyway keep going, it is inspiring to read your story.

    • #50886
      dustypink
      Participant

      hi SunshineRainflower,
      Thank you!
      It may be sounds that I am strong, I am just trying to be. I don’t want to be a victim anymore. But this everything, humiliation, abuse, this will be with me forever. i felt so often like he just raped me even he didn’t, and I was confused, because it looked like the only thing he is doing wrong – telling bad words and shouting. he was so nice often! Bringing the flowers, kissing me gently, telling how beautiful I am, making gifts. But next day he could tell he didn’t have to make this gift because I am not worth it. This game is so destructive!
      he could shout at me if I didn’t answer the phone for the first time. Or I’ve eaten something he bought for himself (I didn’t know). Or I told him to turn left when he turned right. Some stupid things. And he is always finding somebody is guilty and responsible for his mistakes! I am just wondering how he could build connections between his fault and somebody else. Always this is not his fault. he is very aggressive when driving if sees that somebody is not respecting him on the road. This was the only thing I was scared of – when he is making dangerous driving with me and our kids in the car, showing “fu..k” from his window to another driver and swearing.
      Another thing I found in internet about abusers, that is common to them – they like to spoil birthdays, Christmas and all other nice moments in your life. This happened so often to me! That’s because they don’t want victims to have anything bright and nice in their life. they feeling bad when the victim is happy.

    • #50892
      SunshineRainflower
      Participant

      It sounds awful Summerday, and I can definitely relate. I have been struggling too thinking about how ‘nice’ my ex was a lot of the time. At the time, before I realised I was being abused, I used to think he was the perfect boyfriend, but noticed that each week who would do or say a few extremely painful things to me. I wrote them all off as an accident/him being a man/him being insensitive/me being oversensitive etc for ages. Like your ex, he could be so incredibly sweet, arrange day trips to all my favourite places, cook me my favourite food, he was clean and domesticated and a good cook. I felt so lucky! He used to say that I was perfect, but then started to mock and tease me about how much food I was eating (when I was underweight due to anxiety at the time). He wanted to spend all of his time with me, but then shouted at me for not wanting him to play violent video games in front of me when I’d given up my evening to go and see him. The sad thing is in many ways he treated me better than my exes, but he also treated me 10 times worse – that is what is so confusing about these men, why we stay with them, why it’s hard to leave, why we miss them after despite the abuse.

      I think they know that most men are not particularly romantic and use this to reel us in. I’m sorry to hear all you have been through. Look into getting as much support as you can – outreach worker, counselling, therapy etc etc. It is so tough to go through this, we need all the help we can get. There are also good books you could read, not sure if you’ve read them already but Living with the Dominator by Pat Craven and Why does he do that by Lundy Bancroft are recommended. I also recommend (detail removed by moderator) it helps make sense of their behaviour and feel less alone.

    • #50903
      dustypink
      Participant

      Thank you!
      I feel quite stable emotionally, I am even happy most of the time. Like a big and heavy weight dropped finally.
      I have read very good book and this finally put all the things on their places, I understood, why I am unhappy and suffering so much. But this book is more oriented to you, what you can do and need to do to become free and never be trapped again. Because the problem is that we are choosing these men. For me – no doubts, as both my husbands were abusers. The problem is in us, why don’t we run away straight away when we see first signs, why we do not trust our own feelings, why we continue these relationship even when the abuse has happened so many times. There are a lot of women who would stop relationship straight away. But we didn’t. And the answer is that we are choosing these men.
      Until we understand the reasons there is a big chance we will make same mistakes again and again.
      I’ve found the answers for myself in this book.

      there are 6 rules given you need to follow to get free
      The rules appear quite simple at first:
      Do only what you want to.
      Don’t do something you don’t want to.
      Speak up straight away if you don’t like something.
      Don’t give an answer unless you are asked a question.
      Answer only the question you have been asked.
      When you are in an argument, speak only about yourself.

      I started to follow them and my husband became very unhappy about this 🙂 When he was shouting at me I just was asking – have you finished? This was so funny to see he is trying to find more and more arguments to threaten me, but they just didn’t reach me! That’s why I stopped crying and stopped to be a victim. I understood he has no power on me anymore.

      Another thing which helps a lot i am saying to myself very often – I don’t care.
      I don’t care I will loose my dream house, this is just a house
      I don’t care we will need to move to the worse place, we will be happy there
      I don’t care my relatives will think i am breaking another family – i will tell them the true
      I don’t care i will need to do everything by myself – i am already doing it

      and so on

      This helps me to break all the bonds, to become more strong and no to be scared.

    • #50910
      lover of no contact
      Participant

      Welcome summerday to the Forum and thankyou for sharing your story with us. I love your new Mantra..2I don’t care!”

      That is very powerful and helpful to say ” I don’t care, its is only a house.”

      And I don’t care I will have to do everything by myself because I am already doing it!”…That is so true. In fact you will have more energy being a single mum as you won’t be trying to recover from being abused as you will be out of the cycle of abuse and abusers are always more of a hindrance than a help.

      Well done, keep saying I don’t care. Those 3 little words will help break the bonds that are attaching you to the abuser.

    • #50922
      dustypink
      Participant

      lover of no contact, thank you!
      I am so happy I’ve found this forum with all these stories and people confirming that nothing is wrong to me!
      That this is not my fault and I couldn’t change anything.
      My mantra really helps ) I was crying a month ago when I just imagined that strange people will come to my house, will walk on my carpets, enter my bedroom to decide do they want to buy this house or not ) But than i decided this is good lesson for me, I value material things too much. When decorating the house, painting the walls, designing the rooms – this was my way to escape the reality. I was building my own house, but I forgot it is not only mine.
      So I will be downgrading now. I try to remember that I still will have deposit money, (detail removed by moderator), I will find some job or will start new business, and in 2-3 years will be able to buy another house, just mine.
      For me it is very important to calculate all my next steps. To see the target. Then everything goes easier.

    • #50966
      dustypink
      Participant

      I just had and estate agent.
      he gave me the estimated price and explained all the steps. I told him we are separating and i will need to move to rented property.
      He advised not to move out until the house is sold. He told everything may be cancelled till the last day (exchange) by any of the sides. My husband told me he wants to sell the house, but he can change his mind any moment. He has signed the agreement about the sale, but only the court can put him to move out if he won’t. This is so difficult!
      The sale process can take around 3 months if everything goes well. But if not?
      I am not sure I want to stay in the same house with him for such a long time!

      This was very painful meeting for me, I’ve remembered how long we were looking for the house, how we were happy when we found it and bought, we were feeling so lucky!

      The good news are that they will arrange viewing and will provide people who will come with disposable shoe covers ))

    • #50975
      dustypink
      Participant

      I have had very good legal advise today.
      Solicitor came well prepared, she gave me details of solicitors who could help me with legal aid, I wrote email to them. But even if they can’t, she gave me the form I can fill myself (or print from gov website) and apply for occupational order. This will give me the time and possibility stay in the house until it is sold.
      Another thing she told me I don’t need to report him to the police. I can go straight to the court, i can apply for emergency, but she told they usually deal with occupational order quickly. She told this would cost nothing for me, is free.
      My husband wants to go on holidays to his country and wants to take my youngest with him. I have allowed first, but after I found he is abusing us, I have changed my mind. He always is and was caring about the kids, but everything is very serious now for me and I want to control the situation.

    • #50976
      dustypink
      Participant

      He told me he wants to separate asap, but he will not move out. He told I don’t have to cook for him anymore. And was angry I have invited estate agent while he wasn’t at home. He told that nobody can come to the house when he is not at home. He also told that he probably will need to find solicitor for himself as it looks like I am becoming tricky.

    • #50979
      dustypink
      Participant

      We had one incident, a couple of years ago. Actually they were 2 one after another, I don’t remember exactly when it was.
      First time he hit my face with his coat he was holding in his hand. My son was sleeping on my hands at this moment.
      Second time he hit my leg by his leg when I was sitting at the table. He told then he wanted to hit the table not me.
      Does it count as physical abuse?
      Nothing like this since that.

    • #50984
      SunshineRainflower
      Participant

      Hi summerday, I don’t know much about buying and selling houses or separation/divorce but I just wanted to say that the house is beautiful because you made it that way, it was your time, love and energy that you put in and that will always be with you, you can make your next place a dream home too and this time there won’t be any abusers around to ruin things. I know what you mean about giving up things you got attached to though, I feel a bit embarassed to admit that I really liked how my ex had his own house which was a nice, newly decorated house with a lovely garden. He had a really nice car too and I didn’t think I was bothered about cars but I did enjoy being in his house and his car (before he got noticeably abusive) and it felt sad giving up that girlfriend experience again, even if that makes me sound shallow. None of my exes had had their own places or a car so it was a luxury. I am certain my ex focused on having a nice house and car exactly for the reason that he knew it would impress women, he told me once about a woman admiring his car, I later on realised it was probably a woman he was cheating with.

      Anyway, I am renting my own place now and making it nice, it’s not as big as his place and is not been decorated in years but it has heart and soul and unlike his place, it is not starting to depress me as nobody is hear being cruel to me. I am in a similar situation to you, I have a small business which isn’t making any money and need to find work while I figure out how to make my business earn money. Anyway, it’s good you’re on the right path, just be careful now that he knows you want out because they can become dangerous when they realise their control is slipping. Some of the others who have sold houses they owned with their abusers might be able to help you with it further.

    • #50985
      SunshineRainflower
      Participant

      P.s my ex used to do similar things to those incidents you describe, I see them as ‘accidentally on purpose’ physical abuse – they hurt is physically but they frame it in a way that looks accidental so they can look innocent. It is evil, insiduous behaviour and shows their lack of empathy and lack of concern for our welfare.

    • #51004
      dustypink
      Participant

      SunshineRainflower
      Thank you! You are right – I will make my own nice place anywhere, we’ve rented a flat before we bought this house and it never looked like rented property.

      He hit me with his coat with a purpose, not just accidentally. I was very tired with the kids, I was breastfeeding each of them for a very long time. My youngest couldn’t sleep without me.
      This was his idea I must have a rest and watch some series on TV. I was with my little one on my hands, other kids sleeping. i told him it will be dark in the house when I’ll finish and i will need help getting upstairs with the baby. he told me to text him and he will come and help me, he will be upstairs waiting for my text. i have finished watching the film and text him. Nobody responded. I called and he came down very angry. looked like he fell asleep and I woke up him. He was very angry running around and shouting at me that I am relaxing all the time but he cannot have e rest while working all the days around. A lot of other words, i don’t remember now. I couldn’t answer him because I had my son sleeping on my hands, I was still sitting on a sofa. he then went to the hall, was going to go outside to smoke, took his coat, but then changed his mind and came back. probably i told something to him because he just hit me with his coat holding in his hand – into my face. This was quite painful and very shocking for me, I just became wordless.

      I’ve had appointment regarding council housing today, no good news for me. I cannot get council house because I owe property. I cannot move out and get council benefit because I owe property. Even when the house will be sold I will not be able to get any of these because I will have some money (capital).

      I talked to solicitors today over the phone, will go for appointment on Monday. They are not sure completely if I qualify for legal aid, I must prove domestic abuse and I must prove my low income.

      I still have the feeling the system doesn’t work for me, but I am fighting with the system.

      All I got are just advises, phone numbers and options. But still no real help. I still have to do everything by myself – sell the house, apply for occupational order to the court, find a house to move in and rent it on a private market – find guarantor, deposit money. No difference at all – I am abused or just want to separate.

      Just wondering why all these organisations exists, are budget funded if i still have to do everything by myself?

    • #51005
      dustypink
      Participant

      And I still have the feeling that would be better if there would be some physical violence involved with some significant causes so everybody could see them. Nobody is interested in preventing. Like this is not serious enough to do something, come back when he will break you arm or kill you, then we will be happy to help.
      i know that there are a lot of good people in this system as well, but something is wrong in this process.

    • #51055
      dustypink
      Participant

      The week was quite because he comes home usually when kids go to beds and it is easy for me not to meet him and not to talk to him.
      Yesterday he didn’t come, this was such a nice calm evening. I’ve ordered pizza for me and children.
      He came late night.
      In the morning today I’ve already got a portion of rebukes because I’ve ordered the pizza he doesn’t like. He told me that I live by him (on his money), that I spend his money on s**t, nobody allowed me to take his money. he told that I have to eat all the remaining pizza now otherwise I will not go to the shop anymore.
      He noticed I am recording this conversation and became angry, was trying to take my phone. He told me that I am provoking him.
      But even he is angry, I can see it now, he is controlling himself. He thinks that he can threatening me, telling all these awful things, anything, until he hit me he doesn’t do anything bad. He is completely sure he is allowed to behave in such a way.
      I’ve started to write all these episodes (like a diary), what he says, what i feel. In English, because we talk in different language. I even don’t know if all my voice records count, they’ll need to be translated.

    • #51056
      KIP.
      Participant

      Please be very careful. Mine was not really physically violent until he lost control. That’s when they are really dangerous.

    • #51157
      dustypink
      Participant

      I found that the worst stage of abuse is not “violence”, but “honeymoon”.
      I feel like I am going crazy.
      Doubts and guilt. I wish he is always the person shouting at me and saying terrible words, I wish to be 100% sure I do the right things.
      But this would be too easy.
      Yesterday he was perfect father and looked like nothing is going on.
      I started to think I am overreacting and may be it’s not too late to try again. May be this was my fault as well not only his. May be I still want to be with him.
      This all makes me mad, because another part of me understands that these are my dreams only and will never come true.
      He looked happy and calm, but I was nervous and unhappy yesterday.
      Today I understood that I need to be faraway from him, this is the only way to stabilise myself.

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