Denied trauma therapy/criminal case

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  • #67518
    Profile photo of KIP. KIP. 
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    My therapist at the time said I couldn’t have certain trauma therapies because of ongoing criminal case. Has anyone else experienced this? Caused me terrible problems yet nothing ever said by solicitor or crown office.

  • #67519
    Profile photo of maddog maddog 
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    I’ve run into this one as well. When the police were investigating my ex I wasn’t allowed to say anything to anyone which might have affected evidence. I don’t understand exactly what or how or why.

  • #67520
    Profile photo of KIP. KIP. 
    Participant

    Thanks for your reply. I’m challenging this behaviour with the NHS and also regulatory bodies for therapists. No one should put a criminal case before my mental health. As soon as I gave my statement to the police, any mental health care I need should never be influenced by the criminal justice system. Sadly it seems I’m not the only one x

  • #67527
    Profile photo of Ayanna Ayanna 
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    Same here. I was told by the charity at the time that they could not offer me counselling due to the ongoing criminal investigations.
    I was rotating, very close to suicide.

  • #67529
    Profile photo of Iwantmeback Iwantmeback 
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    I understand not telling all and sundry(in case they may be called as a future witness) but surely in the confines of a councillors or therapists office that should be acceptable. As you say @ayanna you were close to suicide as many of us have been. Not getting the chance to talk to someone authorised to listen is against our Human rights surely. These are the areas that the authorities have to listen to us, the survivors in order to help future ones. I put soneyhing to my local wa recently after i experienced having to talk to a police officer in the foyer. I feel once the subject is known we should be offered a private room as soon as they can. Take care all.
    We are the new #Suffragettes

    IWMB 💕💕

  • #67530
    Profile photo of freedomtochoose freedomtochoose 
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    Yes. I know we are not allowed to post links on here, but I have just discovered an organisation called Support, Empower, Advocate sepa which may be of help in situations where it is just too overwhelming to complain/manage such situations all by yourself.
    Will let you know how things progress with them – but so far they seem very efficicent and helpful.
    Feels really good to know that I have a national organisation to advocate on my behalf with regard to a health issue.
    all best
    ftc
    x

  • #67532
    Profile photo of freedomtochoose freedomtochoose 
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    sorry that should have read seap
    here is some blurb from their website:
    seAp is an independent charity that provides free independent and confidential advocacy services
    We provide independent advocacy services to help resolve issues or concerns you may have about your health and wellbeing or your health and social care services. Our aim is to ensure that:
    You are in control of decisions which are made about you
    Your experiences, views, wishes and feelings are heard
    You can contribute to improving the health and care services you use

  • #67538
    Profile photo of Iwantmeback Iwantmeback 
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    Things seem to be progressing professionally and governmentally too, see DIY’s post re 16 days
    💕💕

  • #67675
    Profile photo of Nina Nina 
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    I’ve had the same experience. I was told I couldn’t get counciling until the legal process was over.
    (Detail removed by Moderator) That’s (Detail removed by Moderator) years of my life just living in limbo and not knowing where to turn. I’ve not even started to deal with what’s happened and now I’ve buried it so deep I’m scared of dealing with it.

  • #67678
    Profile photo of KIP. KIP. 
    Participant

    Nina, who told you that you couldn’t get counselling? For me it was a psychological services NHS and also a local charity that offer therapy.

  • #67681
    Profile photo of  Anonymous

    Would the MP be able to raise this. It’s clear that we need support going through all of this. So where is it? Absolutely shocking xx 💕 DIY

  • #67690
    Profile photo of KIP. KIP. 
    Participant

    Yep, I’ve got her involved already. Her office have been great. Just needed some examples to show them. I don’t think some of the NHS have caught up with 21st century trauma care. I reckon understanding trauma will be the next big medical breakthrough. It’s so misunderstood and so debilitating.

  • #67693
    Profile photo of  Anonymous

    Yeh but they do treat PTSD in soldiers especially from the Iraq war.I see it they get good comprehensive treatment until some are ready yo go back in to the army. So the service is there on the NHS have you mentioned that you’ll write to the GMC I’m not sure who the counselling therapy people are under xx

  • #67694
    Profile photo of freedomtochoose freedomtochoose 
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    DIY mum. Havent said this before but I (Detail removed by Moderator). This is way more complicated than you think.
    all best
    ftc
    x

  • #67695
    Profile photo of KIP. KIP. 
    Participant

    Yes, she’s writing to the various bodies including NICE
    British Association for Counselling & Psychotherapy etc.
    I think proper therapy for soldiers is still a lottery too. I can imagine like me they will be referred by their GP to psychological service (24 week wait with my local service). I think perhaps soldiers charities might be on the ball woth PTSD. I’ve read a lot about that and their symptoms are almost identical to victims of domestic violence/abuse yet we don’t get the same attention.

  • #67697
    Profile photo of  Anonymous

    The waiting lists are massive at the moment even for cancers terrible. Yeh I agree we seem to be forgotten entity that’s how I’ve felt all the way through this whole experience. It is the way they’re referred, Im sure they’re pushed through quicker through the private sector though in order to get them back to work. You know the thread earlier where it was said that people were angry for destroying a man’s career etc. My career was ruined by DV I became ill, I’m sure I may have PTSD I’ve never been to see about it or address it. In my job I was cast to the side and I trained for many years. These men are the cause of all off this I’ll health by god I hope this changes soon and they’re held accountable xx 💕

  • #67699
    Profile photo of Nina Nina 
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    Hi Kip, it was my GP and IDAS who said that you couldn’t have therapy until the all of the legal process was over. When I asked why, I was told that it could affect my giving of evidence. I was also told that you couldn’t start to move on and recover until the the legagaities were over and it would be pointless until then.
    I’ve since had a few counselling sessions and have been diagnosed with PTSD and severe anxiety but if I’d had some help back then, maybe I’d not in this rut.
    My son was lucky with his new school though. He was assaulted too and was also a witness but he was offered weekly counselling sessions from the start and still has them. It’s been brilliant for him and I dread to think what would have happened to him without it.

  • #67712
    Profile photo of Twisted Sister Twisted Sister 
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    Of further interest possibly, I went through this years ago trying to access specialist trauma therapy, and I accessed PTSD therapy for military personnel, I was told by them to approach gp for funding to pay for it, as this is how they are funded though gp payments, what they didnt realise is that gp will not fund for dv, only vets!!

    That was some years ago. Probably not changed though.

    I wholly disagree that with-holding support through such traumatic circumstances is appropriate.

    I nearly lost my life through the court process and my trauma escalated massively. Its cruel, highly traumatising and I cannot conceive of how it can be legitimately enforced.

    They are playing with lives!

    Keep fighting ladies!!

    Warmest wishes ts

    • #67756
      Profile photo of Iwantmeback Iwantmeback 
      Participant

      Hi TS, do you know that if you’ve had any family members who served in the armed forces that their relations can get help through the armed forces charity. (Detail removed by moderator). 
      It’s another avenue to look into if it applies to any of us.
      IWMB 💕💕

  • #67713
    Profile photo of Twisted Sister Twisted Sister 
    Participant

    One thing I would caveat to that ^ is that, as I’ve experienced, you have to feel safe to be able to go through trauma therapy/counselling, and I was refused it on those grounds.

    However, that does not mean that you shouldn’t have victim support, or some form of counselling support to get you through the court trauma

    I so hope something will get sorted for you soon KIP!

    Warmest wishes ts

  • #67717
    Profile photo of KIP. KIP. 
    Participant

    I can understand the feeling safe thing. I’ve spoken with my counsellor and I have to be able to imagine a ‘safe place’. My case took (detail removed by moderator) months and with the backlog it’s taking longer and longer for cases to get to court, it’s unacceptable to have to wait all that time for trauma counselling. The way my therapist explained was basically the solicitor wants the court to see you on your knees when giving evidence which is exactly what happened in my case. The whole experience retraumatised me and set me back years. Why can’t my solicitor say the only reason I’m able to give good evidence without breaking down is because I’ve had trauma therapy. It doesn’t mean what happened to me wasn’t horrific, it’s just that I’ve had good therapy. There was a lady on here who lost sole custody in family court. The Judge said she didn’t come across as a domestic abuse victim. So I can see where this thinking process started but it’s the 21st century. There must be a better understanding in the court process. Also, I can manage to get through harrowing meetings with solicitors but there’s always this terrible aftershock that they don’t see. It took me six days to leave the house after giving evidence. I don’t remember anything apart from day six when I was eating peas from a can and I thought I need to pull myself together. So there’s a much bigger picture too x onwards and upwards…….

  • #67737
    Profile photo of  Anonymous

    The solicitors have so little understanding to this day of DV. Goodness you’ve been through so much it’s fact it’s down In evidence but they have to see it on your face! (Court detail removed by moderator). Things desperately need to change I’ve just sent a letter of to my MP this morning before the 16th when womensaid submit their bill. I’m so frustrated xx I think trauma is very misunderstood perhaps it’s easier to cast it aside and not address it. Ignorance once again xx

  • #67761
    Profile photo of Twisted Sister Twisted Sister 
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    Blunt warning: what point conviction if it kills or destroys you beyond reach?!?!

    How you describe the ‘getting through, to suffer the fallout after, spot on. Exactly how it is. Spend days and weeks hiding away, eating s**t, not sleeping, not going out,bathing, nothing.

    They have no idea the cost of retraumatising – essentially just to put on a ‘good show’

  • #67762
    Profile photo of maddog maddog 
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    It’s interesting to me, the talk of safe places. We discussed it in my first counselling session since my ex left. When I got home and for the first time did one of the exercises the counsellor suggested, I fell apart. I really don’t know what happened but it was terrifying. Luckily I was able to speak to a friend, probably gibberish, and to the samaritans about the same.

    Had I not felt at some time at least a tiny bit safe I don’t know what would have happened.

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