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    • #136653
      MayaMuffin
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      My ex-husband was abusive, not physically violent, but definitely everything else that didn’t leave a mark.
      The police were involved and he was given a restraining order … I’ve not seen him since.

      In the many years that have followed I found another man and married him. He has (detail removed by moderator) children from a previous marriage. There’s been issues in his life that have been stressful, and I understand that, but he has a bad relationship with alcohol and it’s escalated lately. He is verbally abusive to me when drunk and says really hurtful things. The next day he’ll deny remembering any of it and says not to take notice of what he says when he is that drunk. I never get an apology. Recently it wasn’t just me he verbally abused, but also some of my family. He even threw something at one of them and then threatened violence. He hasn’t apologised for this or acknowledged what he did. He’s now carrying on as usual and is pleasant and nice again.

      Today I applied for information on him under Clare’s Law. I’m concerned his behaviour is escalating and I’m worried for myself. I know there was something that happened with his ex wife, but he maintained it was lies and I don’t have any details. I’m hoping the disclosure will cover this.

      I see a counsellor and he told me in no uncertain terms that I am being abused again. He is concerned for my safety. It’s made me think. I don’t know what to do or how to tackle things. I love my husband dearly and he can be the nicest most caring person. We have so much in common. It’s just this drinking issue. When he drinks he is an a******e. An a******e I’m intimidated and hurt by. I want to help him, but don’t know how to when he won’t listen if I bring the topic up. He is in denial.

    • #136661
      Goldenretrieveher
      Participant

      My husband is currently on bail. I have have endured physical, sexual, financial and emotional abuse from him virtually since I met him. He didn’t like me speaking with his ex wife, although she reached out to me several times as my step son was relatively young (she his mother). The ex asked me on several occasions if I’d like to (removed by moderator), knowing this would upset my now husband I never did.
      During the last (removed by moderator) years I often found myself more than questioning his abusive behaviour, however I was always in such a tailspin I now realise that I was trauma bonded from very early into the relationship.
      With him being on bail, (police sadly involved) I have had to reconnect with his ex re the emotional welfare of my stepson and needless to say we have now had the opportunity to discuss things that I wish I had known sooner. The intermittent questioning his behaviour was my sub conscience trying to get through to me that all was not right.
      If ever I wish that I had gone for a (removed by moderator) and saved myself nearly (removed by moderator) years of trying to figure out, rationalise and excuse the inexcusable it is now.
      If you can speak to his ex (safely) and hopefully Clare’s law will also have something. One of the reasons I am giving a police interview (the thought has me shaking) is that I met him online, and I now know a previous incident with his ex was reported to the police but not feeling strong enough at the time charges were withdrawn. Whatever the outcome I wish anyone in the future with him will be able to utilise Clare’s law …. because he will do it again and guess what he sold himself to me as the ‘victim’ utterly shocking but I am assured this is normal for them.

    • #136665
      Hereforhelp
      Participant

      Mayamuffin, I wanted to say we’ll done for your Clare’s Law application. It’s really awful that you’re being abused by your husband. Your gut and instincts have kicked in and I think you already know that he’s an abuser and using alcohol as an excuse, to excuse the inexcusable. He doesn’t apologise as he isn’t sorry and can hold the alcohol responsible, it is not alcohol that makes him abusive, he is abusive.
      All our abusers on here whom we have loved and trusted have been nice…
      My husband and I had lots in common
      He was so funny
      When our children were young he was really hands on and helpful
      He looked after me when I was sick
      Was amazing with my elderly parents
      I truly loved him and never even looked at anyone else (although he accused me of all sorts and disguised it with it’s not you I don’t trust it is other men)

      He also emotionally abused me and then our children
      He made me his servant, I had to have sex with him or he would get verbally abusive to me or I couldn’t go out.
      He told me I was mad for decades and I believed him.
      He had a sad past which he used to his advantage and to excuse some of his behaviours

      All the abuse started subtly, we had and still do have a trauma bond which I am just learning about.

      Help yourself ❤ you are not responsible for your husband in any way whatsoever.

    • #136783
      MayaMuffin
      Participant

      Thank you.
      I haven’t had any disclosure yet from my Clare’s Law application. I have however had multiple missed calls from a withheld number which turned out to be the police. They wanted to discuss what I’d disclosed in my Clare’s Law application. They wanted me to go to a meeting with them, which I refused. I had no idea how I’d explain away disappearing off at the weekend on my own for a few hours to my husband. The police text me and I assured them I was ok. I have previous experience dealing with the police for an abuse case. I’d asked them not to arrest my ex husband at the time and that I wasn’t trying to press charges. They over-ruled me and arrested him anyway, so I’m very wary of saying anything more to them as I don’t want things to escalate at the moment.
      My husband is currently being very nice and quite affectionate to me. My suspicious mind thinks this is because he is aware what he did was out of order and he’s sucking up. The few friends I’ve spoken to said they’d have thrown him out the house based on his behaviour Christmas, so he’s lucky I’m calmer and more forgiving.
      I know that before we were together his ex-wife had an occupation order raised against him to remove him from the family home. I’ve been reading about occupation orders in the meantime and what my husband told me about it all those years ago doesn’t ring quite true. They likely wouldn’t issue an occupation order for the reasons he told me his ex had given. Obviously I’ll have to see what does turn up if/when I get the disclosure.
      Regarding speaking to his ex … that’s a definite no. She’s not a nice person, she’s a habitual liar, manipulative and nasty. I’ve never had anything to do with her, but I’ve read letters from her solicitor and also seen text’s she’s sent through and they aren’t nice and full of inaccuracies and lies. She bends the truth. So whatever the disclosure says … I need to take it with a pinch of salt as I know what she’s like.

    • #136792
      Wants To Help
      Participant

      Hi MayaMuffin,

      If you are going to take what the police tell you in the Clare’s Law disclosure with a pinch of salt (detail removed by moderator)

      Your initial post mentions that your husband is abusive and your follow up post mentions he has previously been arrested. You know he has a previous history that has been reported to the police, (detail removed by moderator)

      Ideally, you should be considering your future with your husband based on how he treats YOU, not someone else. I know many ladies want to see if he has a history of abuse with someone else just to help them confirm they are not going crazy or imagining stuff, but when they get a disclosure of previous abuse and then try and justify it the whole purpose of Clare’s Law is pointless.

      I know of disclosures where a lady has been told that her partner hit his ex over the head with a frying pan in the kitchen and her response was “Oh yeah, he told me about that but she was a psycho – you should hear what she did to HIM!” Yes, he partner managed to get his version of events in first and convince her that his ex was to blame and deserved being hit with a frying pan, so regardless of the Clare’s Law disclosure this lady decided to stay with him.

      You say you have previously had a Restraining Order to stop your ex husband contacting you? This would be disclosed to any new partner of his under a Clare’s Law request. Is she to ignore that too based on the fact that you must have have made everything up for some reason? Would his new partner be at risk of domestic abuse from him or not based on how he treated you?

      From what you describe of your husband he is an abuser with a drink problem. He is two things. He is using the drink to excuse his abuse but that is not acceptable. He has threatened violence to other people around you too so no wonder they are concerned for you.

      Please allow yourself to ‘see’ him for what he is. Google Cognitive Dissonance to understand this. You want to believe something so much that you are clearly not seeing the truth of the matter. We’ve all been there, myself included, but until you can accept what is happening in your relationship nothing is going to improve.

      xx

    • #136793
      MayaMuffin
      Participant

      ‘Wants to Help’ I think you are getting muddled between my husband and my ex-husband.
      I’ve not had any legal action against my husband. He has not been arrested.
      It was my ex-husband that was arrested and bailed with the restraining order.

      My current husband had a messy divorce with his ex, and she used an occupation order to evict him from the family home. I do not know the reasons she sighted to get the order raised. I only know what he told me, which on reflection seems unlikely to have been the case.

      I said I’d read what his ex said with a pinch of salt because I know what she is like. That said, if what I read has similarities with what I’m currently experiencing I’ll be more likely to take note. It’ll make me feel like I’m not going mad. It may force me to make some changes/take action … so no it’s not a waste of time requesting it.

      My husband has not been violent to me ever. However, over the holiday period he displayed behaviour I’d not seen before and it concerned me. Is it not then reasonable to then want to have a Clare’s Law disclosure report to see if this is the same behaviour his ex reported?

      • #136795
        Wants To Help
        Participant

        I apologise for misreading what you said and any offence this has caused you.

        Clare’s Law can be great, and sometimes it can be detrimental. When there are cases of ‘nothing to disclose’ this can make a lady feel that she must be imagining her situation, minimise it, or even think the issues in it are her fault (because abusers often tell us that we’re the problem!) So in some cases a disclosure is dismissed because the abuser has already convinced his partner of his version of events, and in some cases a ‘nothing to disclose’ doesn’t help either because the lady thinks he’s not been abusive to anyone other than her. All this means is that no one else has reported the abuse. When ladies pin their decision making solely on the Clare’s Law disclosure it is worrying; if he is making you feel uneasy, unhappy, threatened, uncomfortable etc then does it really make any difference how he has treated someone else?

    • #136799
      MayaMuffin
      Participant

      It’s ok, I know it comes from a good intentioned place.

      I know his ex had made comments in her solicitors letters during their divorce about his drinking. She had sighted issues which I know to be lies because of the dates she mentioned and supposed chain of events, which I was present for and know to be untruths. However, that’s not to say it’s all lies. He does have issues with drink, but she was bending the truth to get what she wanted. Hence I can’t take her word at face value.

      Now, he told me that she was abusive and threatening to him. He also told me the reason for the occupation order, but the reason he gave me does not look to be a valid reason for one being issued. So it seems he has lied to me too. I want to see what the real reason was, and if it echo’s behaviour I’ve observed. She may have accused him of worse (likely to get the order raised). Either way, the Christmas period behaviour concerned me, and that’s the first time it has. Previously I’d just taken it all as drunken verbal drivel. Him squaring up to a member of my family whilst drunk and unprovoked has changed my view. I can hope it was a one off, but I’d like to check for my own peace of mind.

    • #136800
      Goldenretrieveher
      Participant

      Maya muffin,
      I hope you are okay and making your enquiries.
      I’ve just been reading through the last couple of posts. I understand why perhaps you don’t trust his ex wife, however I was told so so many lies about my husband’s ex wife and because I was in love with him I chose to believe him.
      An Occupation Order is a very very difficult thing to get (more so than a Non Molestation) purely because a home owner has a fundamental legal right to live in their home unless it can absolutely be proven that he is a danger.
      Please keep doing your home work, however I truly wish I had listened to my gut instincts many years ago when the behaviours started showing themselves.
      Instead I kept forgiving, making excuses (one being his previous acrimonious divorce) and trying to fix him and us.
      Please keep yourself safe.
      Best wishes
      🤗🙏

    • #136817
      MayaMuffin
      Participant

      Hi Goldenretrieveher,
      Well this Occupation Order seemed to spring out of nowhere. He certainly wasn’t expecting it. It gave him 48 hours to vacate the family home.
      I’m not sure if this is normal timescales or not. If someone is in imminent danger, 48 hours seems a long time to grant access to the home still for.
      I’m still waiting on the Clare’s Law disclosure. I don’t know how long it usually takes. Does anyone know?

      • #136862
        Wants To Help
        Participant

        Hi again,

        the police have up to 35 days to make a disclosure. If there is deemed to be an ‘urgent’ risk of harm then a disclosure should be made within 24 hours (example of this will follow) but these are quite rare. As we all know, ‘risk’ is hard to predict and things can happen at any time. Just because you don’t have a disclosure within 24 hours does not mean there is no concerning behaviour to disclose.

        The decision to do an ‘urgent’ disclosure lies with senior management with the police who have to authorise certain procedures being waived from the normal procedure. The normal procedure is that once the police have discussed with you your reason for wanting the information background checks will be made, proof of your identity will be required, forms will need to be signed by you regarding confidentiality and the case goes to a MARAC meeting to confirm consent of all agencies to share the information with you.

        Urgent risk of harm disclosure example – female applied for Clare’s Law on a new boyfriend she’d been with for a week who had moved in with her. He was wanted for an offence of a serious assault on an ex girlfriend in another part of the country. Police attended her address to arrest him and gave her the disclosure there and then.

        With regards to the Occupation Order, this is a civil order that will have been taken out in the county court and the police may not hold the facts as to why this was taken out. The police do not have to be involved at all in the issue of Occ Orders so unless they were involved in the domestic situation that led up to it being sought they might be unaware of its existence, therefore, it won’t be on the disclosure.

    • #136857
      Bananaboat
      Participant

      Hi Mayamuffin, I hope my post doesn’t offend you in any way that is not my intention at all but having read through this post with independent eyes I’m wondering what your ideal outcome would be? There are a lot of warning signs in what you’ve said, the occupation order with his ex, the way you describe his ex (have you met her or just go on his descriptions and what he’s showed you?), the drinking and his behaviour, but also avoiding the police calls. I don’t know if you mean to but it can read as if you’re looking to justify his behaviour. If you are don’t worry we’ve all been there! It’s horrible to accept the man you love as an abuser. If the Clare’s law disclosed anything what will you do?

      As others have said the alcohol isn’t the root cause, I used to think if I could get him off the drink/drugs he’d be great but no, he chooses to drink and he chooses to abuse, removing the drink does not remove the abuse. Just an excuse for it.

      Whatever you do, stay safe. If you don’t have one already, start a journal so you can start to remember incidents, what he says/does and how you feel. Good luck

    • #136994
      MayaMuffin
      Participant

      Hi Bananaboat,
      I guess I’m hoping to see that there isn’t anything in a disclosure. Then I can reassure myself that he isn’t likely to become violent. However, it is clear that at some point I’m going to have to try and raise his drinking issue which will be difficult. It’s a tough one, but if he is willing to seek help then I will 100% support him in that. Or alternatively I’d like him to agree to reduce or stop drinking alcohol. He needs to realise when he is excessively drunk, he is not a nice person and if it continues this way I won’t be sticking around. He has to consider carefully what he does because he stands to lose a lot if I chuck him out.

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