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8th January 2016 at 9:49 pm #7315
Tamra
ParticipantHi Moon,
My heart goes out to you. I admire your courage for finding the strength to get out and move to safety. Right now you may feel scared, numb, confused, lost, and in the strangest world but you are safe and loved by many and all the women on here are walking right beside you. Stay as strong as you can to stay away and let yourself feel free to feel the emotional pain and relief so you can set yourself free from this awful monster you have been with for so long. I understand he may have been someone you loved but what he did to you isnt love. Please please dont go back.
If you can find the courage to turn off your phone for tonight it may be a good thing so you can try and get some rest.
Lots of love and hugs xxxx
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3rd January 2016 at 9:57 pm #7092
Tamra
ParticipantFalling Sky’s,
If you can find the strength to fight this though your husband has made loads of mistakes that will go against him in court
1 not retuning papers
2 refusing mediation
3 abuse of course
4 he will be made to sell by the court and you can be the main person that deals with the sale if he is a nightmare about itStand your ground if you can. Check with your solicitor you can have him removed under unreasonable behaviour or you can leave due to safety. You have more legal stuff on your side just from this post you have written and the fact you are married you are due 50% at the very least. If you want this to end stick it out and see your solicitor and push it.
Sorry to be tough but you have to push solicitors to get anywhere.
They never change and when he sees he pushes your buttons he will do it more and no they don’t get bored so everything he does actually goes against him.Stay safe though big hug to because this is such a tough time for you right now
Xx
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3rd January 2016 at 6:18 pm #7068
Tamra
ParticipantHi Hopesprings,
I agree with KIP, without sounding bossy please phone them now and tell them your story and hopefully they will sort it for you.
Hope you get it sorted
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3rd January 2016 at 4:41 pm #7061
Tamra
ParticipantMarthamoo,
You dont have to talk about the situation with him just let him know your there. Perhaps you could talk about something he enjoys. Boys are hard as they do shut down. His anger will need to be accepted for it to come out but in ways that are safe and you are right he is probably directing at you because your safe but this will need to be explored so he doesnt do anything harmful but you know him best.
xx
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3rd January 2016 at 4:31 pm #7059
Tamra
ParticipantMaggie,
It scary letting go and really heartfelt but there isnt really anything else we can do apart from living in an unrealistic world for us because of course its their horrible world we are living and our wounded parts of self go along with it. Yes I agree this site is fab and the support is amazing xx -
3rd January 2016 at 4:26 pm #7058
Tamra
ParticipantThats great to hear Maggie and well done for finding the courage to walk free xx
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3rd January 2016 at 3:24 pm #7053
Tamra
ParticipantMaggie,
Thats a great way to get clarity of what went on. I find writing things down and looking over it sinks in bit by bit.
Yes the loneliness is horrible but the fear and anxiety is far worse but this only comes when you really home in on it and feel it. At first I wanted the anxiety because it was all I knew and the way I have lived most of my life from childhood. The adjusting is hard but will be worth it in the end.xx
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3rd January 2016 at 3:17 pm #7051
Tamra
ParticipantHi Maggie,
Wow you have been put though hell. We love them because of past trauma which is why most of us write on here about trauma bonding theres is stuff on the internet if you have access to the internet at home or somewhere. They have conditioned us to love them and only them so when we step out off line we are pulled back in to think but its only them and after they have been horrible they then love bomb us so we think its all good until the next time.
If you have fear around him doing to your house phone the police or contact womens aid the first few months after leaving can be the worst but Im not saying this stops or never happens months year down the line. I have been away only for a few months and havnt heard a thing but when I was still living with him he played up big style and he has/add another woman so I couldnt understand why he would play up but its because they can and they want control because your taking back your own life.
If you can stay very strong because all he wants is to control you again. If you get the love bombing that isnt him loving you thats his tactic.
Hes sounds like he has Narcissistic personality disorder or one of the disorders – if you can look up Melanie Tonia Evans she is very good at explaining stuff and finding ways to heal. She went through domestic abuse relationships herself so she knows what shes talking about.Big hug and stay safe
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3rd January 2016 at 9:40 am #7031
Tamra
ParticipantHi Timetomoveon,
Its really hard when our children are involved. I agree that she shouldnt have been forced down the slide, it was meant to be a fun time so i dont see why she should be forced to do something that makes her uncomfortable. You know them best and can see whether it’s control or not. You said you dont trust your instincts however you typed up what you were feeling so I think your instincts are bang on as you have gone with you gut and questioned what you saw and felt.
Him saying get a new wife thats just awful and to pull you back into line by putting the fear of god into to you that hes off so you can massage his ego and make him feel important again. What he could have done is listened to how you feel about what happened and gained an understanding of how his little girl felt too. Mine did that to me all the time -‘Ill get a new girlfriend and show you what a real relationship is like’its horrible and it used to make me feel rejected but I would go into over drive and beg and plead that we will be ok – thats no way to live a life thats meant to be love.
I dont know much about the control you have suffered but your family see behind his ‘sweet’ nature and its hard to face but deep down you know. Sit with your thoughts and feelings so you can get in touch again with your gut feeling, its there trust yourself.
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2nd January 2016 at 10:25 pm #7013
Tamra
ParticipantSugar
I hear your pain right now and I know it’s hard.
If you can ring the helpline as they will talk you though your thoughts and emotions.
You will be ok trust yourself you are a wonderful woman. Give the help line a call nothing will happen they will just support you right now.
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2nd January 2016 at 9:57 pm #7010
Tamra
ParticipantThank you Serenity,
Sometimes I just need to find clarity about what has happened and why.
My gut has never lied to me but its only over the last few years that I have begun to listen to it and understand what I was feeling was fear I now dont have the gut feeling of fear of him but now fear of being without him and I sure thats me having fear of being alone
xx
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2nd January 2016 at 9:47 pm #7007
Tamra
ParticipantYes its a tactic to get you to have contact so he can get in your head
Please contact womens aid help line do not delete that email please keep it as evidence
xx
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2nd January 2016 at 7:49 pm #6991
Tamra
ParticipantHi Sugar,
The more you say the more I wont to say please please dont take him back, I understand thats easier said than done but hes an awful man and is crushing you and your children. You all deserve to be happy and free from the awful behavior he is inflicting on you. He may show some kindness a few times a week but I bet your still walking on a knifes edge just in case.Im sooooooo glad you came on this forum as that shows strength, courage and that you are on your way to be free.
If you think his aunt has other intentions than your best interest at heart then I would go with that, gut feelings are the best way to understand how you are feeling and what your picking up from others, however you know her better than i do.
Stay safe and again please ring women’s aid for support
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2nd January 2016 at 5:46 pm #6986
Tamra
ParticipantHi 2BFree,
All the best for the next week
Stay safe
xx
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2nd January 2016 at 5:44 pm #6985
Tamra
ParticipantHi Marthmoo,
I also read post you out on another thread. To be honest Im not surprised your son is acting the way he does when his father has said such awful things to him – like leaving home and then he will have you all to his self, and he had you first – what a ……………………………
Your son will know deep down that you care but if you can I would try and reassure him, he may resist at first but you can show him in many ways, I bet hes feeling fear that you will leave him or push him out like his father is telling him.I believe these men are different with female or male children depending on which way they go – they girls made to feel like princesses and be what daddy wants, turning them into slaves or make the boys into nasty abusers and show them how to treat women or how women should be treated, in their world of course or they feel threatened by either sex and do what they need to feel safe for themselves. Its a mind field and very complicated.
My daughter was treated differently to my son, they werent my ex’s though, he didnt like my son one bit and was very jealous of him so my son just stayed in his room and didnt integrate with us, to be honest I did tread on eggshells and goaded my children to stay in their rooms, I did it in a way so it was fun but clearly it wasnt is was just so my ex would have my undivided attention. I feel now that I have lost out on their younger years but Im making up for it now, my son will sit with me and watch TV now and chats to me and hugs me. He even comforts me when Im upset too. Both my children hate my ex and do get very angry about him, I let them vent so it releases any angry emotions to free them from pain.
The two things that stick in my mind was when my son was under the age of 10 he said to me ‘why does …… look at me funny?’ I brushed this off and said no he doesnt , this showed me I wasnt listening to him and the other was when he was older he said ‘Why do I have to talk to ……. first how come he never says hi or anything first?’ I told him because he (my son) is a nice, caring, respectful boy, that should me that my ex isnt a nice person as he believes everybody should respect him respect is learnt not just given, so I these men dont show it how do they younger people learn about respect, its a two way street.
Now if I had my time again and knew then what I know now, I would have shown my kids they were more important to me than him and left and never gone back. But i didnt and I went back for more.
Sorry I went on a bit hope i didnt miss to much of your needs. Show your son you love him that the best advice i can give you but it wont happen over night so stick with it a little bit at a time. never say and im sure you dont, ‘your just like your father’.
Big hugs because I sense this is a tough time for you xx
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2nd January 2016 at 4:03 pm #6979
Tamra
ParticipantHi,
Glad to hear you made up your own mind and didnt get pushed by their control.Stay safe and call the helpline or police at anytime. It is a scary time but me and all the other ladies on here are here for you.
best wishes and hugs
Tamra
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2nd January 2016 at 12:07 pm #6976
Tamra
ParticipantHi Marthamoo,
Sex is a really complicated subject because it can been used to show ‘love’ or ‘power/control’ game.
I can only explain from my experience as I think the feelings and thoughts around ones own is very personal and sometimes hard to grasp how others feel.
When my ex and I were first together sex was passionate and sometimes wild. it became very apparent that he was/is obsessed with sex and I believe he mixes sex up with love and hate. As time went on I would like you be going though the motions and I would cry how could I be turned on but be so upset at the same time? I guess knowing you want/love them but at the same time knowing in your gut this isnt right.
I feel for you going to bed at night not knowing where you would be attacked verbally or physically if you didnt ‘perform’. I wouldnt be kicked out of bed but he would sulk or walk out of the room himself. At one point I felt almost raped by him just to keep him happy. We had a very active sex life right up until the end of our relationship but sometimes I used it to gain some control over him to show him I loved him and didnt want to lose him to the other women but that was bruised ego. So like you again I would cry. However I now believe the crying is of sadness, fear, dis-bear etc. but it shows them (him) power as he was so insecure.
It is normal so dont worry about that but think about how you feel and what its doing to/for you, mixed up love and hate may be?
Dont worry about what ever you need to post most of us have experienced very similar stuff so we kinda understand where each other are coming from. You are very brave to talk about this topic and i’m glad you found the courage too.
I hope I have answered in the way that has helped.
Big hug
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1st January 2016 at 10:53 pm #6947
Tamra
ParticipantHi Moon,
Wow you post has really touched me. Such amazing words with a true sense of meaning and feeling.
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1st January 2016 at 10:49 pm #6946
Tamra
ParticipantHi Sugar,
Welcome to the forum.
Your words have shocked me please please get support from the police and women’s aid via the help line. What this man is doing to you and your children is terrible. The trouble is after a split and a get back together situation it gets worse because you have left them before and you have to be punished. well no you dont deserve that. No amount of promises he makes will change this man.
Please do something before possibly something factual happens, he will never change but you can change your situation. I know its easy for me to say but with the right support you can do this.The possible ‘trauma bonding’ is keeping together and you need to heal from this so you can live free from such awful abuse.Ring the help line ASAP and log what happened last night and anything else from now one
Please take care big hug and lots of love
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1st January 2016 at 10:35 pm #6944
Tamra
ParticipantHi Foggyhere,
That awful and how deceitful.
I guess you know about ‘miss fancy pants?’ Hes blaming you so he doenst have to carry the guilt around with him and its easier to shift on to you as you having been carrying for as long as you have been together.
Mine blamed me for all the women on our life and for anything that went wrong that he did – he is is rubbish at taking responsibility for his own actions, he is an adult after all but nope to much for them.
None of this is your fault and dont take his projection of blame or denial , you can just think to yourself this isnt my stuff its his.
Stay safe xx
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1st January 2016 at 10:17 pm #6941
Tamra
ParticipantHi Moon,
You have nothing to be ashamed of, you are just escaping for a bit while he is out. He sounds very hard work and my god a Mr head-worker, just like my ex was, they get under your skin. Its amazing after doing the freedom program just watching the playing out each character – just shocking that they can been so many different people in such a short space of time
I agree with Falling Skys with the survival techniques and its more about assault.
What a nasty piece of work he is…Stay safe big hug
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1st January 2016 at 10:04 pm #6938
Tamra
ParticipantHi Maggie,
The manipulation is awful and it becomes our normal so of course we miss it even if it sounds warped. The control is so heavy that it gets under your skin.
3 weeks is such a short time to even think you wont cry, I have been out a few months and still cry most days – you have to grieve that relationship and the emotions will be running high right now.I got some comfort from look at Melanie Tonia Evans on the net she explains so much about the person being narcissistic and the abuse from these people, she also talks about recovery too. I joined to received her news letter which I got one email for the first 15 days and then she also has YouTube videos, there is a bit where you can pay money but I haven’t done that bit, as there is so much free stuff I haven’t bothered as yet.
However give yourself time to grieve and have a good cry because thats ok and very normal.
xx
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1st January 2016 at 9:45 pm #6932
Tamra
ParticipantHi East17.
Im a (detail removed by moderator) decade and as the KIP and Falling Skys has said we dont realise and it is the norm or us so we dont question whats going on a light bulb moment or someone professional points it out. People around me did say he was controlling but I made up excuses and I didnt really see it until much later into our relationship.
As Falling Skys said keep a log it is really hopeful and you can start to piece more things together and if you get divorced it might help with that too.
You are defiantly not responsible for his way of being he is an adult and cam take of himself he did it before he can do it again.
Stay strong and like the others say get some distance and break free.
lots of love xx
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1st January 2016 at 9:27 pm #6924
Tamra
ParticipantHappy new year to you too Hopesprings and wish all the best to you in 2016 xx
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1st January 2016 at 6:16 pm #6903
Tamra
ParticipantHi Falling Skys,
Even though I dont see it as moaning you moan all you like.
Living with him must be awful for you and the house not selling is a nightmare.
I think the counselling will help either way but it may open up stuff so I guess let out your emotions before you go back home so he doesnt have something to home in on.
Your friend may be wanting to love you and support you but as you said hes in a relationship so be careful you dont get caught up in something thats going to become more complicated, sorry for the pet talk but it concerns me and remember your are vulnerable right now – blah blah blah sorry as you probably need some one right now.
Glad you had a good new year with you son and family.
Yep every day is nearer and nearer to the end,
Stay safe and big hug xx
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1st January 2016 at 5:56 pm #6900
Tamra
ParticipantHi Serenity,
I agree with you and it gets on my beef too!!These men are just awful the push me pull me tactic with us is one thing and not right but with children older or younger is just not right.
With my 2 and his 1 he played a blinder – he was ok with my daughter but after living with im and then moving out due to him getting with our friend he asked me to live with him again but not my daughter she was older but anyway she didnt live with us. My son he didnt speak to unless my son spoke to him first and said he she be respected, when my son was young he asked me ‘why does ……… look at me funny (i brushed this off) or why do I have to speak first others-wise he wont speak to me (this I said because your a nice person) He didnt like my son at all and hated it when I did things with hi or for him, is this a male thing with males because my son is one of the nicest young men you could meet and has always been lovely – right from a young age he would hold doors open or shake someones hand in meeting, help anyone out in trouble etc. hummmmmm yep my ex was jealous
Even though he says he was there for both my 2 he actually wasnt and he lies by saying to people he was. both my 2 Hate him and are so glad we are away from him, I think they would disown me if i went back.
With his daughter they would take the mickey out of me or push me out actually they have a weird relationship, however when he was in a mood with me he would be better to her and if good with me he would be controlling towards her, mind you he would control her and his ex-wife. At the end of our relationship he used her to go against me then pull me back in and we ended by not talking. She used to confined in me when she couldnt talk to her mum and dad so its sad really but shes not mine so nothing I can do.
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1st January 2016 at 5:28 pm #6895
Tamra
ParticipantOh no thats awful and to use a situation like cancer to pull you back in. Then if he is dangerous think very carefully about what to do next but log everything that happens even if you get it logged with the police. I think the best for you would be to phone the helpline to get the best advice especially if he is dangerous.
Love of love and stay safe
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1st January 2016 at 5:21 pm #6892
Tamra
ParticipantHi yes I did it twice the 1st time I spent crying as it came to light how much my ex was in all of the personas and the 2nd I took it in and it was very helpful.
I also noticed that I was in them to – sexual controller however I was told that as I am aware of what I did to stop the sulking or mood he was in that didnt make me a perpetrator because it was a tactic I used to stay safe but it did upset me at first, I think it was really helpful even to explore what went on.
I’m about to start the next one – power to change hope its just as helpful.
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1st January 2016 at 5:13 pm #6891
Tamra
ParticipantIts funny White Rose As my ex actually wanted me to commit a crime but only a small one to show that I loved him – a friend of ours split from his wife and she did some awful things – burn an outer building of theirs among other things and the one my ex homed in on was she scratched a part of his car with the word h..e and he said to me why arent you doing stuff like that? Yes im angry and hurt by what he has done but Im not going to be a vandal, mind you he would have probably used it against me. He did weird stuff to me and still cant work out why, he would go though my underwear, sit in my bed when I wasnt there or in my chair in my bedroom, burst into my room and have a mood, them come in a climb in my bed with me in it and say he just wanted a hug, tell me it would be shame if we ended, then flip and tell me I was a freeloader in so many words, then suicidal threats, tell me his girlfriends pet had died and that I would understand being the person I am etc. I couldn’t work out what he wanted but he was the one that went off,
hummmmmmm number 1 is very appealing hahahahahaha
Starlight,
Its amazing how they can be similar but I guess they work the same ways, may be they go to a school to learn how not to treat people. He wasnt like this with just me (even though I got it to it full extent) he was like it with his friends but not our female ones, well not to their faces anyway may be in case they were potential victims, with his friends he would be stroppy or come home to me and say they bullied him and said things like ‘you thrown your toys out the pram’ and I would give him sympathy but i would think well you do….I wonder if they will ever be happy, to be honest him finding happiness would be my worst nightmare right now as I will feel all I did would never have been good enough and believe me I did loads from being a lover, girlfriend, housewife, mother and step-mother, laborer, gardener, servant, sex goddess, nurse and support worker (for him) oh my god you name it I was it and nothing was good enough, he said jump and i said how high.
When I told my friend I was missing him and felt emotional she said ‘do you think you think to much’ correct me if im wrong but emotions are feelings not thoughts, its all in my gut where I feel this not in my head.
Starlight the loneliness is just horrible thats when I think its a shame we cant just pop round to see each other or go for a walk or coffee but I am very thankful we have this forum
Thank you ladies for your support today
lots of love and hugs xx
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1st January 2016 at 4:41 pm #6890
Tamra
ParticipantHi A-HAfan,
Firstly welcome to this forum I hope you find it a safe place to post and ask questions or just let out how you feel, the ladies on here are great.
As I read your post my first thoughts was what a …….. your ex father in law is and dont let them drive you out from where you now live. However I dont know your situation so I feel it would be wrong of me to make a decision on whats best for you. if you fear anything phone the police or the helpline for some advice as they will know best.
Keep posting and we will do our best to support you,
Stay safe
xx
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